Forget a podcast, nearly nine minutes of the legendary former NBA star Matt Barnes talking to DraftKings’ ‘The Starting Five’ hosts Set Free Richardson and Jadakiss about all things Kobe Bryant? Tough.

It’s what you’ve come to expect from the regular series - insanely dope and must-see interviews from some of the biggest influencers in the culture. Check out some of the key points MB speaks on and keep scrolling for the full-fledged conversation.

• Meeting a young and rising Mamba

• Guarding a scientist of the game

• An intense matchup in Orlando

• The famous ball fake and how it was that move… or a punch

• Kobe’s role in Barnes joining the Lakers

• SPOILER ALERT: Mamba called him and shared, “Anyone crazy enough to f*ck with me, is crazy enough to play with me.”

Barnes joined the duo, alongside Danielle Alvari (betting expert) and Jamie “Dirk” Ruiz (2K talent), on the set of Starting Five – Live From the Compound (via DraftKings).